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A sign greeting visitors entering Vermont
GREEN MOUNTAIN STATE GROUP FORMS TO WITHDRAW FROM U.S.
It’s hard to believe that, nearly 150 years after South Carolina formally cut its ties with the U.S. government, we are still talking about the possibility of states seceding from the Union. Yet, here we are.
First, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and folks in the Lone Star State began seriously discussing a withdrawal from the U.S. Now, there’s another state beating the drums, err, well… Hippie bongos of secession: Vermont.
On Jan. 15, in the state capital of Montpelier, nine candidates for statewide office gathered in a tiny room at the Capitol Plaza Hotel, to announce they wanted a divorce from the United States of America. “For the first time in over 150 years, secession and political independence from the U.S. will be front and center in a statewide New England political campaign,” said Thomas Naylor, 73, one of the leaders of the campaign.
A former Duke University economics professor, Naylor heads up the Second Vermont Republic, which he describes as “left-libertarian, anti-big government, anti-empire, antiwar, with small is beautiful as our guiding philosophy.” The group not only advocates the peaceful secession of Vermont but has minted its own silver “token” — valued at $25 — and, as part of a publishing venture with another secessionist group, runs a monthly newspaper called Vermont Commons, with a circulation of 10,000. According to a 2007 poll, they have support from at least 13% of state voters. The campaign slogan, Naylor told me, is “Imagine Free Vermont.” In his fondest imaginings, Naylor said, Vermonters would not be “forced to participate in killing women and children in the Middle East.”
Essentially, these are a lot of the same black helicopter Ron Paul folks that are going after Republicans in South Carolina.
But, to their credit, these individuals have gone out and started their own party rather than trying to hijack the Republican Party and contort it to meet their demands. So, much respect to these Vermont folks.
I still think there’s no need for secession — in South Carolina, anyway. And I’m pretty certain they’ll get crushed at the polls. But I respect that they’ve gone out and formed their own group rather than trying to clandestinely infiltrate the GOP.
Why exactly do you think there is no need for secession? Do you think the federal government is good for South Carolina?
I don’t. I think the federal government does nothing but steal from the individuals of South Carolina, impose oppressive mandates and regulations, stifle growth and business, and focus their efforts on improving states where they get voters, like NY and CA. I think we, the people of South Carolina, would be much much better off without a federal government but with just a state government.
Actually, the federal government GIVES to South Carolina. For every dollar you’re taxed, $1.38 is spent on the state. That’s a .38 cent per dollar free ride.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf
You’ll notice many of those traditionally “dark blue” states, to include NY and CA, are taxed far more than they receive back.
So, that would mean they’re subsidizing states like SC.
Just sayin’.
Adam Fogle, go kiss your boyfriend, Lindsey Graham, goodnight!
Ron Paul…Black helicopter..Man you are original
I guess the whole George Washington revolution stuff was crazy too huh?? Wow,drink some more of that neocon kool-Aid
Nearly 150 years after the US government invaded, despoiled, and occupied a sovereign nation, maybe it’s time the sovereign States all considered seceding from Washington DC.
Ed, the federal government doesn’t “give” SC anything. The oft’ touted $1.38 per dollar reflects the totality of federal spending within the state – it isn’t spent on welfare or roads projects. It is spent onte operation of:
Savanah River Plant
MCRD Paris Island
Chas Air Force Base
Chas Navy Base (Brig)
Fort Jackson
Shaw Air Force Base
McEntire JNGB
And a myriad other federal projects, facilities and bases.
In that context, $1.38 on the dollar seems about right.
“…clandestinely infiltrate the GOP”?
Would this be before or after the Neo-Cons broke off from the Democrat Party, became ‘holier than thou’ Bible beaters and clandestinely infiltrated the GOP?
Irving Kristol would be proud of you.
The people of Vermont have better sense than we do. When in the course of human events…. you know.
The SC pols of ” national importance” should be running scared, both parties. None, absolutely none of them represent the people of this state. They represent the federal government to us instead.
The GOP was hijacked a while back anyway Adam.That IS the problem. Do your homework.
So could this lead to a possible civil war?
Ah yes, Vermont, home of judge approved child molestation. The good thing is, they are one of only two states that do not attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment. You don’t need a permit to carry a handgun there. Alaska is the other state.
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Secessionist always amaze me. Exactly how long do you think your freedom would last if Vermont or SC became an independent country. How long before some group of uneducated rednecks elevated some other uneducated redneck to dictator for life? How long before such a state just became another Banana Republic. How long before their was a war between the counties?
I suppose you believe most South Carolinians are as insular and uneducated as you and would be happy if they could not travel to Charlotte for shopping,Atlanta for a Braves Game, Florida for vacation, attend a play in NY or the jazz festival in New Orleans, send their kids to schools like MIT, Harvard,Yale, and Princeton; or be treated for cancer at major medical centers like Sloan Kettering, Johns Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic and NYU .
I suppose you believe most South Carolinians would be happy they had no one to help out when Charleston is under four feet of water after a Hurricane; yellow fever and cholera breaks out in the low country; or whatever country is supplying our food decides to boycott us.
Or were you thinking we would all be happy to just return to the farm and sing Swing Low Sweet Chariot while we plowed our fields, ginned our on cotton, made our on clothes from flour sacks; and swatted flies on pappy’s back porch at the end of the day. That all assumes of course we can get our former country to sell us flour, since wheat isn’t exactly a hot crop in SC. We can of course tear down all those vacation homes on Kiawah and put the rice fields back in place, and I think we were able to grow sugar cane at one point.
I guess we could save some money. We wont need Interstate roads any more. We want need bridges over the Savannah River, and we can scale down the ports since we only need to import goods for ourselves and not the rest of the country. On the other hand we will need and Army, Navy and Air Force. Is that expensive? Would we have to return the Yorktown?
In fact why don’t you look at countries the size of South Carolina, say population 5 Million, and see which ones we should emulate and get back to us. Haiti comes to mind, but I think they actually have around 10 million. Maybe Guatemala or Honduras? I suppose we could look to non-European Union Europe. Croatia, Albania, Slovakia, Serbia.
If the US had split after the Civil war, who would have stood up to Nazi Germany and imperial Japan? Who would have stood up to Communist Russia and the USSR? Who would have stood up to the powers of Europe and enforced the Monroe Doctrine? The answer is no one, and this nation and the principal of individual liberty we have brought to the world would have died.
If you hate your country so much then move to some third world hell hole for a while, where your rights exists so long as you don’t p’ off the wrong strong man.
Do think we are free Charles???
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