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	<title>Comments on: EXCLUSIVE: Former Gamecock football star named in federal investigation</title>
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		<title>By: Cube</title>
		<link>http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/06/08/exclusive-former-gamecock-football-star-named-in-federal-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-327175</link>
		<dc:creator>Cube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Mr. Ellis... I mean... &quot;LawDog&quot;...

Where is your practice so I can be sure NEVER to hire you.  FIrst you stated falsely that the motion to have assets frozen was denied.  WRONG!  DeBoer is defending hiimself because he had his accounts frozen.  You then said it &quot;looks pretty good for Burnlounge&quot;.  WRONG!  Tell me, how much music have you sold in the past year?

Thanks for playing, pyramid scammers... and Todd... I mean, &quot;LawDog&quot;, I hope you&#039;re not the next one slapped down by this lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Mr. Ellis&#8230; I mean&#8230; &#8220;LawDog&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Where is your practice so I can be sure NEVER to hire you.  FIrst you stated falsely that the motion to have assets frozen was denied.  WRONG!  DeBoer is defending hiimself because he had his accounts frozen.  You then said it &#8220;looks pretty good for Burnlounge&#8221;.  WRONG!  Tell me, how much music have you sold in the past year?</p>
<p>Thanks for playing, pyramid scammers&#8230; and Todd&#8230; I mean, &#8220;LawDog&#8221;, I hope you&#8217;re not the next one slapped down by this lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Cube</title>
		<link>http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/06/08/exclusive-former-gamecock-football-star-named-in-federal-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-111150</link>
		<dc:creator>Cube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, someone find Roy Vogel and ask him what he thinks about Burnlounge and the &quot;falsely accused&quot; defendants now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, someone find Roy Vogel and ask him what he thinks about Burnlounge and the &#8220;falsely accused&#8221; defendants now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stated above by Justine, &quot;Please explain how Burnlounge can be a scam if they will give you 100% of your registration fee back if you are not happy with their product. I would say this company is hardly trying to scam anyone.&quot;  I&#039;d like to know how any ex-mogals can get their fee back.  I asked for a refund and it was ignored.  I only got confirmation that my &quot;store&quot; had been closed.  Being on an interest-from-savings-only income, I need aomething that will generate money for me, not continually take it away from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stated above by Justine, &#8220;Please explain how Burnlounge can be a scam if they will give you 100% of your registration fee back if you are not happy with their product. I would say this company is hardly trying to scam anyone.&#8221;  I&#8217;d like to know how any ex-mogals can get their fee back.  I asked for a refund and it was ignored.  I only got confirmation that my &#8220;store&#8221; had been closed.  Being on an interest-from-savings-only income, I need aomething that will generate money for me, not continually take it away from me.</p>
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		<title>By: 2007: A Year in Posts &#187; The Palmetto Scoop</title>
		<link>http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/06/08/exclusive-former-gamecock-football-star-named-in-federal-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>2007: A Year in Posts &#187; The Palmetto Scoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Former Gamecock football star named in federal investigation [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Meaningful Collateral &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Duce is loose, his predecessor in deep trouble</title>
		<link>http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/06/08/exclusive-former-gamecock-football-star-named-in-federal-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>The Meaningful Collateral &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Duce is loose, his predecessor in deep trouble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a leave while under a federal investigation. For what? According to a number of websites, including The Palmetto Scoop, the Federal Trade Commission is investigating him as part of a large pyramid scheme, one selling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a leave while under a federal investigation. For what? According to a number of websites, including The Palmetto Scoop, the Federal Trade Commission is investigating him as part of a large pyramid scheme, one selling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DeBoer agrees to turn over records, freeze bank accounts in BurnLounge case &#187; The Palmetto Scoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeBoer agrees to turn over records, freeze bank accounts in BurnLounge case &#187; The Palmetto Scoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] State is reporting that former Gamecock Running Back Rob DeBoer, who was implicated in a Federal Trade Commission lawsuit in June, has agreed to turn over financial records to authorities. DeBoer also agreed to not drain [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BREAKING: BurnLounge settles with FTC &#187; The Palmetto Scoop</title>
		<link>http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/06/08/exclusive-former-gamecock-football-star-named-in-federal-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>BREAKING: BurnLounge settles with FTC &#187; The Palmetto Scoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] June 8, The Palmetto Scoop broke the news that BurnLounge executives, including former Gamecock star Rob DeBoer, were being sued by the FTC [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] June 8, The Palmetto Scoop broke the news that BurnLounge executives, including former Gamecock star Rob DeBoer, were being sued by the FTC [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie In Irmo</title>
		<link>http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/06/08/exclusive-former-gamecock-football-star-named-in-federal-investigation/comment-page-2/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie In Irmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t wait for the class action suit.  You won&#039;t get all your money back.  You&#039;ll probably get a ridiculous settlement (discount certificates, or something else) while some lawyers walk away rich.

Don&#039;t ask; DEMAND your money back now!   They&#039;re running scared and will quickly give you a refund now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t wait for the class action suit.  You won&#8217;t get all your money back.  You&#8217;ll probably get a ridiculous settlement (discount certificates, or something else) while some lawyers walk away rich.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ask; DEMAND your money back now!   They&#8217;re running scared and will quickly give you a refund now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ratman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ratman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?s=6635881

Henry McMaster turned him in this is going to be fun to watch.  I invested but never signed anyone up I knew better but said what the heck it&#039;s only $ 500.00.  I lost more than that at the Black Jack table in Vegas and had fun doing it. LOL  Wonder if I can get my money back  since I&#039;m not satisfied with their product. LOL  Heck I&#039;ll just wait for the class action lawsuit that&#039;s sure to follow.  I hear Rob quit his day job to do this full time what a shame.</description>
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<p>Henry McMaster turned him in this is going to be fun to watch.  I invested but never signed anyone up I knew better but said what the heck it&#8217;s only $ 500.00.  I lost more than that at the Black Jack table in Vegas and had fun doing it. LOL  Wonder if I can get my money back  since I&#8217;m not satisfied with their product. LOL  Heck I&#8217;ll just wait for the class action lawsuit that&#8217;s sure to follow.  I hear Rob quit his day job to do this full time what a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: deepthroat</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepthroat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 10 Lessons for Consumers from the Equinox Case: http://www.falseprofits.com/EquinoxLessons.html


9. MLMs that don&#039;t gain most of their sales revenues from retail sales to non-distributors are probably pyramid schemes.
The FTC and the states that prosecuted Equinox used this definition of a pyramid scheme:
&quot;&#039;Pyramid scheme&#039; means a sales scheme, Ponzie scheme, chain marketing scheme, or other marketing plan or program in which participants pay money or valuable consideration to the company in return for which they receive: (1) the right to sell a product or service; and (2) the right to receive in return for recruiting other participants into the program rewards which are unrelated to sale of products or services to ultimate users.

********* For the purposes of this definition, &quot;sale of products or services to ultimate users&quot; does not include sales to other participants or recruits in the multi-level marketing program or to participants&#039; own accounts.&quot;
The FTC experts showed that Equinox&#039;s rebate payments to upliners, which amounted to 48% of all wholesale sales to distributors, were really just &quot;payments for recruiting.&quot; Only a small percentage of Equinox sales were ever retailed to people who were not also recruited as distributors.
Lesson: If you are in a MLM that does not emphasize retailing over recruiting, you are very likely a party to an illegal scam.

--How much of burnlounge&#039;s revenue was based on record sales vs recruitment?
--How much emphasis did burnlounge put on record sales vs recruitment?
--How much of the music purchased was purchased outside of the organization?

These appear to be the important questions, and if burnlounge can produce evidence to contradict the FTC&#039;s charges, then burnlounge will probably be just fine.  Since I do not know anyone who has ever downloaded a single song from burnlounge who wasn&#039;t a burnlounger, I am unable to speculate at how many of them are out there.  I guess we will soon find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 10 Lessons for Consumers from the Equinox Case: <a href="http://www.falseprofits.com/EquinoxLessons.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.falseprofits.com/EquinoxLessons.html</a></p>
<p>9. MLMs that don&#8217;t gain most of their sales revenues from retail sales to non-distributors are probably pyramid schemes.<br />
The FTC and the states that prosecuted Equinox used this definition of a pyramid scheme:<br />
&#8220;&#8216;Pyramid scheme&#8217; means a sales scheme, Ponzie scheme, chain marketing scheme, or other marketing plan or program in which participants pay money or valuable consideration to the company in return for which they receive: (1) the right to sell a product or service; and (2) the right to receive in return for recruiting other participants into the program rewards which are unrelated to sale of products or services to ultimate users.</p>
<p>********* For the purposes of this definition, &#8220;sale of products or services to ultimate users&#8221; does not include sales to other participants or recruits in the multi-level marketing program or to participants&#8217; own accounts.&#8221;<br />
The FTC experts showed that Equinox&#8217;s rebate payments to upliners, which amounted to 48% of all wholesale sales to distributors, were really just &#8220;payments for recruiting.&#8221; Only a small percentage of Equinox sales were ever retailed to people who were not also recruited as distributors.<br />
Lesson: If you are in a MLM that does not emphasize retailing over recruiting, you are very likely a party to an illegal scam.</p>
<p>&#8211;How much of burnlounge&#8217;s revenue was based on record sales vs recruitment?<br />
&#8211;How much emphasis did burnlounge put on record sales vs recruitment?<br />
&#8211;How much of the music purchased was purchased outside of the organization?</p>
<p>These appear to be the important questions, and if burnlounge can produce evidence to contradict the FTC&#8217;s charges, then burnlounge will probably be just fine.  Since I do not know anyone who has ever downloaded a single song from burnlounge who wasn&#8217;t a burnlounger, I am unable to speculate at how many of them are out there.  I guess we will soon find out.</p>
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